Paul H asked:
I mean, some of them are not really players but I believe their methods are not effective. I wouldn’t blame people for calling them players. Why would you call yourself a pickup artist? On the show, I think some of the girls that fall for the guys are actors. Sadly, for the guys. So what do you guys and girls really think of these so- called pickup artists. There are some lines that make sense. Some. Others would get a slap in the face, wouldn’t you think? I mean, if I had to give advice to some guy, I would just tell him to be calm. Heck, I’ll even teach him. Oh crap, that would make me a “pickup artist”. Anyways, what do you think about this whole artist thing and do you think it’s as effective as the show protrays it to be?
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I mean, some of them are not really players but I believe their methods are not effective. I wouldn’t blame people for calling them players. Why would you call yourself a pickup artist? On the show, I think some of the girls that fall for the guys are actors. Sadly, for the guys. So what do you guys and girls really think of these so- called pickup artists. There are some lines that make sense. Some. Others would get a slap in the face, wouldn’t you think? I mean, if I had to give advice to some guy, I would just tell him to be calm. Heck, I’ll even teach him. Oh crap, that would make me a “pickup artist”. Anyways, what do you think about this whole artist thing and do you think it’s as effective as the show protrays it to be?
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I think the methods taught *are* largely effective, if they are executed well. Also, keep in mind that not every guy on the show is coming in with the same level of skill; the guys who already can relate to women seem to be developing faster than the guys who are totally nervous, confused, etc.
Ultimately, the best way to determine if the methods work, is to go out and try them yourself. Go practice one technique 50 times, and see what the general results are. Once you’ve tried the material out, keep the things that work for you, and discard the rest.
The whole “pickup artist” moniker does several things– it gives the guys a certain mystique with women, it makes them more interesting to men who aspire to do better with women, and the business aspects aren’t too shabby, either. However, the techniques are grounded in practical experience, and they do work. The only downside is that there are other considerations when meeting and attracting women, that Mystery does NOT cover, and these are more important in getting long-term results, relationships, etc.
That’s my $0.02 worth.
The pickup artist is basically teaching guys how to be better with women.
What’s wrong with that?
Think about it…girls are always learning how to be better with men. I know they’d deny it but what do u think is in all those magazines they read. Open any magazine and you’ll see loads of articles titled “How To Get the Guy” or stuff like that. The difference is that girls rely on looks while guys rely on personality.
So for a girl to get better with guys, she’ll fix her looks or get surgery. Guys just have to learn to be more confident and more manly, rather than girly and insecure..
That’s the problem…guys that aren’t good with girls will try to get better by working out, buying better clothes etc…GIRLS dont’ give a crap about that stuff…they’re more interested in personality traits. Read any psychology book and it’ll say that.
And “pickup lines” for guys…although many people would argue about it…I think the equivalent of a “pickup line” for a girl would be her make-up etc. She’s not going to get any guys if she looks like she just woke up.
Marc M’s answer was very good.
Yes, bottom line, the general social dynamics and concepts do work. I agree to some extent that not every line would be for me. The key is however, when using certain lines and routines is to do them with 100% congurence to how you are acting. If you don’t believe in what you’re saying, then there is no chance it is going to work.
And the girls in the club are not actors. I think it is pretty easy to tell that they are just typical girls you would find in the club. And you can tell when the guys are properly building attraction, and when they totally ***** it up.
It’s real simple my friend. This junk will not work in Japan for a reason. It wouldn’t work a hundred years ago either. Mystery’s techniques were created in the bar scenes of the 90s. If you used these stuff in the bar your chances are better of it working. You have to consider the context with the content. .
If you take a closer look at what’s going on you’ll realize that talking to girls is essential to having a heterosexual relationship; that having a personality attract and detract people. What his methods really do is open people up to be more social.
What’s next? A book on how to be a parent?
No, basically it’s spoon feeding what people already instinctively know. I mean come on, guys, girls, we all naturally pick up on body language and signals and most of us can tell when we’re wanted and when we’re not by these signs…there’s no “mathematical” formula to attracting a mate. It’s just another reality TV show where people at home can poke fun at the earnest nerds trying to score a date. I mean…the last episode they actually CRIED because one of them had to leave…seriously shut up because it’s not like one of them was being executed or anything or they’d never get to talk to that person again. That show makes me laugh!!!!!!